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Message 773 - Posted: 1 Jul 2013, 10:36:30 UTC

Hi everyone,
As you may have noticed, we have had some problems issuing credit with the latest experiment and runtimes have increased massively. Credit is currently granted based on a multiple regression which takes into account several factors that determine runtime. I have slightly increased the amount of credit granted per workunit as people have suggested that it it too low. Also, we have removed the very long tasks which should result in fairer issuance of credit. Please note that there will be outliers but on average the amount of credit awared should be proportional to the work done.
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Message 776 - Posted: 2 Jul 2013, 0:32:14 UTC

As I posted elsewhere http://boinc.ucd.ie/fmah/forum_thread.php?id=97&postid=775#775 the credit situation seems to be no better than it was. :-(

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Message 778 - Posted: 2 Jul 2013, 10:35:32 UTC - in response to Message 776.
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Hi,
We're waiting for the CHEMBL tasks to pass through the system. If you are concerned about your credits, feel free to cancel any tasks which contain the text "CHEMBL". These are the long tasks. There shouldn't be many left but a few still remain.
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Message 779 - Posted: 3 Jul 2013, 20:44:37 UTC

Screw credits. By complaining about credits, you are just straight up saying that you could not care less about helping people not die of Malaria, but that your ego must be stoked by some sort of desire to get "points"... It isn't a competition.

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Message 780 - Posted: 4 Jul 2013, 0:08:57 UTC - in response to Message 779.

I like credits because it's a shorthand way of quantifying how much we are helping. When the credit system started to go badly awry, I wasn't sure if I was spending all my processing power while doing very little help.

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Message 781 - Posted: 4 Jul 2013, 8:17:01 UTC - in response to Message 779.

Screw credits. By complaining about credits, you are just straight up saying that you could not care less about helping people not die of Malaria, but that your ego must be stoked by some sort of desire to get "points"... It isn't a competition.


I couldn't agree more!

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Message 782 - Posted: 4 Jul 2013, 9:25:57 UTC - in response to Message 780.

This morning when I checked my BOINC credit, I couldn't believe I'd earned 3,700 points yesterday. I run 4 projects on one computer (2500K) and usually earn 1,500—2,000 points a day, so I thought it a bit strange that I'd earned so many points yesterday. I investigated by totaling the points earned for maybe 20 tasks from each of the projects I run and dividing by the CPU time spent to finish those tasks. This is what I got:

malariacontrol.net: .0107 pts/sec
docking@home: .0272 pts/sec
World Community Grid: .0124 pts/sec
fightmalaria@home: .0569 pts/sec
fm@h Sesef's optimizatn: .0740 pts/sec
(For the optimized version of fm@h I used run time instead of CPU time as it appears the CPU time isn't calculated correctly.)

That explains why I had earned so many points. I don't know if it was intentional or not to have fm@h be giving two to four or five times as many points as other projects for the same amount of work performed. I love all the points but it almost makes me feel guilty. Not complaining, just making an observation...

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Message 783 - Posted: 4 Jul 2013, 14:50:32 UTC

Hi for some reason my AVG security took a dislike to whole batch of WU's causing computation errors. Am continuing and so far WU's completing OK.

Any ideas please ?

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Message 784 - Posted: 4 Jul 2013, 16:43:43 UTC
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@amalahi
Credit is now 1.5x the old credit. It was my understanding that the credit was on the low side. If we are not in line with other projects I will of course switch back.

@Indigo Blue
I'm not sure what caused that. Have not seen it before.
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Message 870 - Posted: 31 Jul 2013, 1:25:46 UTC - in response to Message 779.

I'm happy to think that my pcs can help science and the fight against malaria, and i think this credit system is like a game, a competition, and this let involve people who took it as a competition to do more and more, to donate computing power. And 1M or 1Billion of credits aren't money, just a way to say "ehi dude... you did all this work"..

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Message 871 - Posted: 31 Jul 2013, 4:43:54 UTC - in response to Message 870.
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It is a giant game and if that helps inspire people to donate then that is great. And as a visual individual I enjoy seeing the numbers go up whether that be points or completed WUs. For me it's a nice confirmation. But how "work done" corresponds to reality is vague at best for me - and I don't mind that.
However I feel sorry for the scientists at times as they need to divert attention from where it is needed and appease the masses. But I guess that is the same with financial investors as well.

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Message 875 - Posted: 31 Jul 2013, 13:56:43 UTC - in response to Message 783.

Hi for some reason my AVG security took a dislike to whole batch of WU's causing computation errors. Am continuing and so far WU's completing OK.

Any ideas please ?


Set AVG to ignore the Boinc directory and it's sub directories. IF there is a REAL virus it WILL try to infect the rest of the system and get caught. BUT if as has happened in the past AVG and the other a/v companies are being too aggressive again, then it is just a false positive and it's okay. My feeling is that even if it is a virus as long as it never leaves the Boinc directories why would I care? It isn't infecting my machines and each project should have a very good a/v of their own on their Servers.

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Message 876 - Posted: 31 Jul 2013, 14:09:23 UTC - in response to Message 779.
Last modified: 31 Jul 2013, 14:11:48 UTC

Screw credits. By complaining about credits, you are just straight up saying that you could not care less about helping people not die of Malaria, but that your ego must be stoked by some sort of desire to get "points"... It isn't a competition.


Yes and no...credits are used to help me determine if my pc's are keeping up with your pc's, and if not can get me to tweak my settings to do so. NO credits should NEVER be used to compare one project to another, that just isn't fair to the projects. Each project also uses credits to attract and keep crunchers so their goals are met. Some projects actually get paid for the work that is produced, I have no idea if this is one of those or not, but a project like DistRTgen, a gpu project, DOES make money off of our results. They are contractors trying to hack into a company to prove how secure or unsecure the company is, they are hired BY the company to do this though. The more credits a project gives out the more users flock to it, once they drop their credits lots of people then leave. More users means a bigger load on the Servers and more money spent maintaining and replacing them, so it is a balance of many things that the projects are trying to maintain. Dr. Anderson, the founder and still main programer of Boinc wants a "credit new" system implemented that gives equal credits across ALL projects. In MOST cases that would mean a SEVERE drop in credits for almost every project! In fact it is the default system included in EVERY new version of the Server side of the Boinc software package. That is why some projects have not gone to the newer Server versions yet, too many tweaks to be 'fixed'. Credits are a VERY touchy subject for some people and the conversations can quickly become inflamed. My suggestion has long been that every year they should be wiped out and we start over, kind of like sports stats. Sure keep a running total, as in total home run in baseball, or total goals scored in other sports. But every year is a new year and every project just archives and zeroes the credits on a particular day. The day could be the day Boinc was first released to the public as an example. I have over 2 billion total credits, but how is that relevant to today? It just means I have been crunching for a long time and have used my gpu's to do it for a long time too! It does NOT make me 'special' or anything like that, it is just a number! Kind of like when I retired after working for 24 years in one job, it was a number and sure I am proud of what I did for as long as I did, but in the end it is still just a number.

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Message 935 - Posted: 30 Aug 2013, 7:20:38 UTC - in response to Message 773.

how can I issue my credits from account .......kindly explain the procedure....I m completely unknown for this syste
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Message 936 - Posted: 30 Aug 2013, 7:23:14 UTC - in response to Message 782.

This morning when I checked my BOINC credit, I couldn't believe I'd earned 3,700 points yesterday. I run 4 projects on one computer (2500K) and usually earn 1,500—2,000 points a day, so I thought it a bit strange that I'd earned so many points yesterday. I investigated by totaling the points earned for maybe 20 tasks from each of the projects I run and dividing by the CPU time spent to finish those tasks. This is what I got:

malariacontrol.net: .0107 pts/sec
docking@home: .0272 pts/sec
World Community Grid: .0124 pts/sec
fightmalaria@home: .0569 pts/sec
fm@h Sesef's optimizatn: .0740 pts/sec
(For the optimized version of fm@h I used run time instead of CPU time as it appears the CPU time isn't calculated correctly.)

That explains why I had earned so many points. I don't know if it was intentional or not to have fm@h be giving two to four or five times as many points as other projects for the same amount of work performed. I love all the points but it almost makes me feel guilty. Not complaining, just making an observation...

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Message 937 - Posted: 30 Aug 2013, 7:24:50 UTC - in response to Message 936.

can u explain me how to get credit transfer in my account?
my e-mail add is dr.hetalgajera@gmail.com.....
thanx
hetal

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Message 939 - Posted: 30 Aug 2013, 10:31:21 UTC - in response to Message 937.

can u explain me how to get credit transfer in my account?
my e-mail add is .....
thanx
hetal


First NEVER put a REAL email address in a message, it just invites spammers!

Second credits have no value other then to measure your progress against everyone else who is also crunching. AND it really on works when comparing THIS projects credits to THIS projects credits. There are many Boinc projects and each does credits differently, synchronizing them is proving impossible due to how each project works and what parts of your pc crunch a workunit. So there is NOTHING to transfer, these are NOT like BitCoins, they are just a measuring stick, that is all.

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