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Message 2790 - Posted: 28 Nov 2016, 19:08:15 UTC - in response to Message 2748.

... so we should NOT 'detach' and then attach to compute.gridrepublic.org??

I have been running scores and scores of WUs but see NO results at all, for nearly two days now.

The only notice within the boincmgr is:
Fight Neglected Diseases: Notice from BOINC
This project is using an old URL. When convenient, remove the project, then add https://compute.gridrepublic.org/
11/27/2016 5:07:58 PM

PLEASE post any REALLY important notices to the main page ...
there has been NOTHING posted on the main page http://findah.ucd.ie/index.php for over 10 months.
We should not have to be hunting for important info within a whole bunch of posts, and in more than one thread.

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Message 2800 - Posted: 1 Dec 2016, 8:32:16 UTC - in response to Message 2790.

You do not need to reattach to the new URL. If you do reattach, make sure you do not create a new account but instead use the existing one from here.
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Message 2802 - Posted: 2 Dec 2016, 0:22:36 UTC

Rytis, could you add some links on the Gridrepublic site for reaching the parts of the project that are still on the http://findah.ucd.ie site, such as this forum?

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Message 2803 - Posted: 2 Dec 2016, 16:29:46 UTC - in response to Message 2767.

skgiven, those are Charity Engine work units and are typically work that was paid for by another company to be ran by CE's volunteers. It is confidential and so you have no idea what you are running in those cases. This project needs a clear division between FiND@home and Charity Engine or at least be very up front about its association as not everyone is willing to support a company using their systems for financial gain.
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Message 2805 - Posted: 3 Dec 2016, 7:14:02 UTC - in response to Message 2803.

skgiven, those are Charity Engine work units and are typically work that was paid for by another company to be ran by CE's volunteers. It is confidential and so you have no idea what you are running in those cases. This project needs a clear division between FiND@home and Charity Engine or at least be very up front about its association as not everyone is willing to support a company using their systems for financial gain.

That is completely wrong. There is absolutely no relation between Charity Engine and FiND, except that CE donates some CPU time.
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Message 2808 - Posted: 3 Dec 2016, 19:20:57 UTC - in response to Message 2805.

skgiven, those are Charity Engine work units and are typically work that was paid for by another company to be ran by CE's volunteers. It is confidential and so you have no idea what you are running in those cases. This project needs a clear division between FiND@home and Charity Engine or at least be very up front about its association as not everyone is willing to support a company using their systems for financial gain.

That is completely wrong. There is absolutely no relation between Charity Engine and FiND, except that CE donates some CPU time.


So why on God's green Earth would you change the work unit naming scheme to match theirs? And why wouldn't you take the time to actually address the questions being asked here in the forums that would help shed light on what is going on. It's a lot of shady behavior. Behavior that does not generate confidence in what you are doing. However, you do have enough time to say someone is completely wrong....
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Message 2811 - Posted: 4 Dec 2016, 0:35:56 UTC - in response to Message 2808.

Some of us would like a working preferences page, so we can change the fraction of the CPU time FiND gets without being as drastic as No New Tasks.

We'd also like a way to see what fraction of our recent tasks finished correctly.

Could we have a description of just what application ce12 1.05 is intended to do?

I've already stopped participating in a few BOINC project that were too vague about what they were trying to do.

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Message 2813 - Posted: 4 Dec 2016, 2:10:15 UTC - in response to Message 2811.

The project preferences page on the OLD site still works

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Message 2814 - Posted: 4 Dec 2016, 2:12:58 UTC - in response to Message 2803.

" so you have no idea what you are running in those cases."

In which case I refuse to run them, simple as that

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Message 2816 - Posted: 4 Dec 2016, 14:38:33 UTC

I stand by my wariness.

https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=11309

After days of answering minor questions and ignoring direct ones, you've issued a categorical denial.
What's missing is context:

Are subscribers to FIND on a separate list that contains no for-profit work? Just enough to break even? Or are you out of work for for-profit clients at the minute?

What are we crunching? Given the range of times, I'd say this is VINA, but the application name has been changed to CE. If CE doesn't stand for your other project, Charity Engine, what are you proposing that it stands for?

You are asking us to give our resources to you. Some of us are spending in the thousands on BOINC on electric bills and equipment to crunch Ant Chub's numbers 24/7. It's not asking too much for a detailed explanation. That's just respect.

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Message 2817 - Posted: 4 Dec 2016, 22:59:02 UTC - in response to Message 2813.

The project preferences page on the OLD site still works


It works in the sense that it allows you to make changes. Those changes have no effect on the BOINC Manager setting for what fraction of the CPU time the FiND project can use, though.

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Message 2818 - Posted: 4 Dec 2016, 23:43:45 UTC - in response to Message 2817.

Project preferences can be changed at https://compute.gridrepublic.org/prefs.php?subset=project. I used that to reduce my resource share and it was actioned on the next scheduler request (but I've set the project to NNT until we can see the tasks we're running). As far as I can tell there are no links to that page.
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Message 2820 - Posted: 5 Dec 2016, 2:17:37 UTC - in response to Message 2817.

The project preferences page on the OLD site still works


It works in the sense that it allows you to make changes. Those changes have no effect on the BOINC Manager setting for what fraction of the CPU time the FiND project can use, though.



Um, yeah, it does

I changed the Resource Share for FiND from the very low that I had it at during the hiatus, and the new share appeared in my BOINC Manage settings after an update

I'm now on No New WORK until the new Admins tell us exactly what we are processing, as I refuse to blindly crunch for a project I may or may not want to support

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Message 2821 - Posted: 5 Dec 2016, 8:22:33 UTC

Project prefs are synced from this server to the new server every hour. So changing settings here will work, but you may have to wait a little while.

Regarding "ce12" app name: yes, that is Charity Engine naming scheme. CPU time now comes not only from you, but also from Charity Engine, which has been generous in donating CPU time to several BOINC projects (in particular, see Rosetta's success) - that is why we've went for their naming scheme. You could attach to Charity Engine and see that Fight Neglected Diseases project (which is the expansion of the FiND abbreviation!) is not running any work from Charity Engine - it is only Charity Engine that runs work from here.

As for other "more difficult" questions: I am a developer, so I did answer what I could, which is mostly technical stuff. And now Anthony has posted an update in another thread: http://findah.ucd.ie/forum_thread.php?id=307&postid=2819#2819
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Message 2822 - Posted: 5 Dec 2016, 13:35:30 UTC - in response to Message 2820.

The project preferences page on the OLD site still works


It works in the sense that it allows you to make changes. Those changes have no effect on the BOINC Manager setting for what fraction of the CPU time the FiND project can use, though.



Um, yeah, it does

I changed the Resource Share for FiND from the very low that I had it at during the hiatus, and the new share appeared in my BOINC Manage settings after an update

I'm now on No New WORK until the new Admins tell us exactly what we are processing, as I refuse to blindly crunch for a project I may or may not want to support


It now works, but VERY SLOWLY compared to other BOINC projects. Don't expect it to take effect the first time you do an update, but it should take effect by the next morning.

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Message 2828 - Posted: 6 Dec 2016, 6:29:55 UTC - in response to Message 2821.


You could attach to Charity Engine and see that Fight Neglected Diseases project (which is the expansion of the FiND abbreviation!) is not running any work from Charity Engine - it is only Charity Engine that runs work from here.




Charity Engine does NOT list FiND as an associated project, I just checked

Call me paranoid, but much as I hate to say it, without knowing WHAT I'm crunching, no thanks

(as fare as the CE naming convention, that's utter bullshit for an umbrella site that runs multiple different projects)

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Message 2829 - Posted: 6 Dec 2016, 7:47:14 UTC

See also an update from Matt, a director of GridRepublic (this is in the BOINC forums): https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=11309&postid=74593#74593
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Message 2832 - Posted: 6 Dec 2016, 8:30:11 UTC - in response to Message 2829.

See also an update from Matt, a director of GridRepublic (this is in the BOINC forums): https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=11309&postid=74593#74593


Thanks for at last providing a link https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=11309&postid=74593#74593 to a clear answer to what the tasks that we're running are:

The batch of work run previously at FiND/FMaH was only a subset of the available Malaria data — e.g. only a fraction of the compounds, and a fraction of the relevant biology. We aspire to run a much more complete set of data, which will be more than 1 billion jobs. Same application, same process; and data is to be published. Ie: the same project but at a much larger scale. (*So far, we’ve just re-run some old data, investigating setup issues.)


I hope that this is the beginning of some clear and open communication from this project.

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Message 2841 - Posted: 9 Dec 2016, 9:37:59 UTC

I noticed that the project name has changed in my local BOINC manager but not on the website. Moreover, although the team name is correctly indicated in my project's web account, in the local BOINC manager no team is shown at all.
What is happening?

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Message 2842 - Posted: 11 Dec 2016, 19:19:56 UTC - in response to Message 2841.

I noticed that the project name has changed in my local BOINC manager but not on the website. Moreover, although the team name is correctly indicated in my project's web account, in the local BOINC manager no team is shown at all.
What is happening?

Michael.



I have the same issue - my project account shows the team I joined and my other data - but BOINC Manager does not show the team name.

I hope this is just a minor "blip".

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